is it time to revisit The Fiery Furnaces

Health insurance rip off lying FDA big bankers buying
Fake computer crashes dining
Cloning while they're multiplying
Fashion shoots with Beck and Hanson
Courtney Love, and Marilyn Manson
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Postby forest design » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:47 am

Caroline Shaw on everything is so good
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Postby forest design » Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:24 am

forest design wrote:So much is made of Kanye's last 4-5 albums having dozens of people credited as co-writers/producers as if that makes them less authentically his. His albums always sound completely singular, - he borrows styles all the time -

All Day as an example - a beat he used from a young producer, added, subtracted, spun used a melody from Paul McCartney and turned into something wholly and uniquely his own

- but the finished product, both sonically and proportionately always sound like no one else would have made it that way, and in fact no one does. People borrow from him all the time, and have been operating in modes that he has made popular for some time now, but you can always recognize a Kanye beat vs. one that just superficially sounds like one.

I don't know this for a fact, but given his sense of humor and his writing style from the very beginning, I don't believe for a second that the co-writers on songs provide much more than editing. Like, Kanye writes a line, or hums a flow, has a general idea he wants to express and then the specific wording is tailored by those around him to fit just right.

The lyrics to Reborn seem to me a perfect example of this:

Very rarely do you catch me out

Y'all done "specially invited guest"'d me out

Y'all been tellin' jokes that's gon' stress me out

Soon as I walk in, I'm like, "Let's be out"

I was, off the chain
I was often drained

I was off the meds
I was called insane

What a awesome thing, engulfed in shame

I want all the rain, I want all the pain

I want all the smoke, I want all the blame

Cardio audio, let me jog your brain

Caught in the Audy Home, we was all detained

All y'all Mario, it's all a game


To my ears that's pure Kanye. I'm sure he brought the flow and early-draft lyrics to dozens of ears and each person may have offered advice-perspective, but it's so totally his voice that him giving out the writing credits he does speaks more to his generosity than any kind of weakness or lack of authenticity.


FSD: Speaking of Kanye, you were out in Wyoming working with him on his recent projects. What was that like? Were you writing? Did anything you do appear on any of the new albums?

Bump J: Shit was crazy — a hell of an experience. I’ve never seen anyone work like he works. It was inspiring to see how passionate he is especially since he doesn’t need the money from rap. You really could see that he just loves to do this shit.

As far as writing? No one really writes for Kanye. He basically has what he wants to do already and we’re there vibing with him and combining our brainpower to bring it outta him. I am given writers credit on six of the seven songs but you would have to be there to understand what I’m saying.
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Postby came to wreck » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:12 am

i think the way kanye uses ghostwriters is very different from how drake uses them
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Postby came to wreck » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:02 pm

dislike virgil even more for the recent dondi white shit but that was very very touching and great to see
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Postby forest design » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:54 pm

What is objectionable about the Dondi White references?
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Postby forest design » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:55 pm

Cudi looked great, and the show was awesome

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Postby tgk » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:19 am

everyone stoked for this last album about to drop
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Postby gazedo » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:13 am

dev hayes looked great too.

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Postby shirts optional » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:11 am

livestream starting
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Postby terminus » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:47 pm

album still isn't out yet? lol
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Postby oh! it's max! » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:53 pm

damn, badbadnotgood soundtracking that fashion show. hell yeah
seriously.
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Postby RIXX » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:35 am

terminus wrote:album still isn't out yet? lol

leak thread
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Postby yungboi » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:42 am

loved the LV show
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Postby shirts optional » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:49 am

Daytona
Kids See Ghosts
KTSE
Ye
Nasir
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Postby internethandle » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:53 am

yeah nasir is pretty easily the worst of these for me

wooof!
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Postby shirts optional » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:00 am

Overall best songs:
If You Know You Know
Hard Piano
(The Story of Adidon)
Yikes
Ghost Town
4th Dimension
Reborn
Kids See Ghosts
Adam and Eve
WTP
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Postby gordie blue eyes » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:26 am

rose in harlem is something else if you ask me
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Postby forest design » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:44 am

Nasir is the one I'll revisit least probably

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ye
Daytona
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Postby forest design » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:45 am

ye flows so damn well
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Postby terminus » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:37 am

KSG ≥ Daytona > KTSE > Ye >>> Nasir
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Postby Sobieski » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:42 am

I've never liked Drake more than I do right now
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Postby cooly » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:45 am

ktse is very good on first listen. i was uninterested after nasir felt pretty meh to me but i guess it was mostly not being into nas making me feel that way. but also he does a good job identifying and actualizing distinct sounds for the people he's working with and the soul sampling here works well for her
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Postby came to wreck » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:48 am

forest design wrote:KSG
ye
Daytona
KTSE
Nasir


yeah
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Postby cooly » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:51 am

it's still ye > ksg > daytona > ktse > nasir for me i guess tho. i love ye and i have more attachment to pusha t than i do to teyana taylor. plus "if you know you know" is such a great track.
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Postby terminus » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:42 pm

"if you know you know" will easily be my most played track from this run
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Postby hbb » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:43 pm

More like nadir, am I right
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Postby gordie blue eyes » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:06 pm

i really like the nasir but nas is easily the least interesting thing about it
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Postby gordie blue eyes » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:08 pm

but like, that style hip hop, it doesn't matter who is on top of that production that album has no place on hipinion. see the 4:44 threads from last summer for reference
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Postby gordie blue eyes » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:12 pm

marcy me from 4:44 was one of my year end top 5 on spotify last year for further reference on how dusty and old and boring i am
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