What's your favorite R.E.M. song

Health insurance rip off lying FDA big bankers buying
Fake computer crashes dining
Cloning while they're multiplying
Fashion shoots with Beck and Hanson
Courtney Love, and Marilyn Manson
You're all fakes
Run to your mansions
Come around
We'll kick your ass in

Postby DasLofGang » Mon May 28, 2018 11:56 pm

i just like sticking up for up because i feel it gets somewhat unfairly picked on
I don’t think George Washington and those guys were thinking that deep into it. They prob would be like WHAT!!??? Ok we need to change this part……
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Postby DasLofGang » Mon May 28, 2018 11:56 pm

hey! i can't find nuthin on the radio
I don’t think George Washington and those guys were thinking that deep into it. They prob would be like WHAT!!??? Ok we need to change this part……
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Postby laserblast » Mon May 28, 2018 11:58 pm

ah, yo turn to that station
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Postby DasLofGang » Mon May 28, 2018 11:59 pm

i mean, it's 1998, you just lost your irreplaceable drummer after almost 2 decades kicking worldwide ass together, the fuck you gonna do? you're gonna get some goofy drum machines is what you're gonna do, just like anyone else would. and be sad and write songs accordingly. it works.
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Postby gordie blue eyes » Mon May 28, 2018 11:59 pm

yeah i could definitely understand not liking up. i just meant since he's going through that back section of the catalogue, it's the only one that deserves any sort of closer attention/repeated listens. if grams doesn't like up, he may as well stop right damn there imo.
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Postby laserblast » Tue May 29, 2018 12:00 am

i think grams might like accelerate but not up
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Postby DasLofGang » Tue May 29, 2018 12:01 am

i really appreciated whoever it was a few pages back that tried to beat a better album out of reveal
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Postby DasLofGang » Tue May 29, 2018 12:03 am

also the other thing about up is that i wouldn't put it on more than like once in any given week

it's really long and a legit downer, does not lend itself at all to rapid replays in my opinion
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Postby laserblast » Tue May 29, 2018 12:04 am

DasLofGang wrote:i really appreciated whoever it was a few pages back that tried to beat a better album out of reveal


that was me damn it
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Postby gordie blue eyes » Tue May 29, 2018 12:04 am

i honestly think accelerate is worse than around the sun
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Postby gordie blue eyes » Tue May 29, 2018 12:09 am

but really outside of a song here and there it all becomes very sad and bad
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Postby DasLofGang » Tue May 29, 2018 12:13 am

laserblast wrote:that was me damn it

dude i cannot keep up
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Postby DasLofGang » Tue May 29, 2018 12:15 am

gordie blue eyes wrote:i honestly think accelerate is worse than around the sun

there's some stinkers on it for sure but i'm curious what leads you to this

i soulseeked around the sun a couple months after it came out and got actually mad at the mp3 files. that i didn't pay for. i was angry with them and the folder they came in.
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Postby grammatron » Tue May 29, 2018 12:16 am

I guess the thing is that, overall, I like REM's weirder, darker stuff, and I like their upbeat stuff. Up isn't upbeat, and it isn't weird, experimental, dark, or anything like that. It feels like a band's 11th album, when they're done pushing any sort of boundaries, they're mega-rich and comfortable in life, they're in their 40s and have been doing this band thing for 25+ years, and they're making a record because it's what a band does. It doesn't seem like it's saying anything, and it's not taking any chances. It feels very safe by-the-numbers. I will listen to it more this week, but that's certainly my first impression. And yeah, I assume all of their remaining records are like this, but I've never heard any of the stuff from after New Adventures, so now's as good as a time as any to go through 'em.
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Postby DasLofGang » Tue May 29, 2018 12:19 am

oh yeah no boundaries being pushed at all

it's sitting by the window with a cocoa and a blankie and just feeling wistful
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Postby badhat » Tue May 29, 2018 12:32 am

oh god i feel so the opposite of that

up is like the most out-there weird release in their whole canon.

and i’d argue its pretty dark too.

its just sorta like “the fluorescent fog of modernity will kill us all” dark.
admittedly the metal thread has recently taken a hit
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Postby grammatron » Tue May 29, 2018 12:35 am

It's like lite-rock adult contemporary. One album before had a song w/ a siren blasting through the entire thing and a lead single with no hooks that featured Patti Smith.

But I'll give it a serious front-to-back listen tomorrow and see if my opinion changes.
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Postby laserblast » Tue May 29, 2018 12:36 am

fwiw i think that is an absolutely wrong view of up, i.e., i agree with badhat
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Postby gordie blue eyes » Tue May 29, 2018 12:36 am

DasLofGang wrote:
gordie blue eyes wrote:i honestly think accelerate is worse than around the sun

there's some stinkers on it for sure but i'm curious what leads you to this

i soulseeked around the sun a couple months after it came out and got actually mad at the mp3 files. that i didn't pay for. i was angry with them and the folder they came in.


they're both really bad. i kind of like leaving new york and aftermath and the q-tip song as twee pop things i dunno. accelerate is just 30 mins of melodyless sludge imo. stipe does his monotone bark singing thing for 90% of the album and it all sounds like shit.
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Postby grammatron » Tue May 29, 2018 12:42 am

Well, 30 minutes of melody-less sludge kinda sounds like my bag, so color me excited.
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Postby blurst of times » Tue May 29, 2018 12:44 am

man, i listened to accelerate all the way through for the first time(!) a few weeks ago, and i was surprised how much i liked it. it very consciously tries to recall life's rich pageant and document, but i think it mostly works and it's probably their best post-new adventures album (imo).
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Postby KPH » Tue May 29, 2018 12:46 am

badhat otm

I don't think they entirely succeeded but each song is such a departure from what came before. Everything after Up sadly is the lite-rock whatever.
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Postby blurst of times » Tue May 29, 2018 12:47 am

also agree with badhat re: up being a super-weird album. not that i think that necessarily makes it great, but it shows they were still willing to try new things at that late stage in their career, which is worth something
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Postby moisturization » Tue May 29, 2018 5:51 am

UP would've been a nice way to end it and honour that joke they made about breaking up on new years '99

i think there was more for them to explore in that direction but they just retreated and sat in the middle of the road as if they were stung by the criticism

accelerate/collapse recouped some goodwill but they're basically fan/critic service, or their idea of it. and fuck jacknife lee
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Postby Grey Poupon » Tue May 29, 2018 5:54 am

gordie blue eyes wrote:i honestly think accelerate is worse than around the sun

the production is so utterly shite like lumpy concrete oatmeal


Up is like U2's Pop in that it was kinda seen as disappointing at the time, but looking at what they produced afterwards it's like their last really interesting album
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Postby moisturization » Tue May 29, 2018 5:55 am

so is the art direction
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Postby neuartillery » Tue May 29, 2018 6:53 am

I thought I would like Accelerate more than I did. The production is exhausting and there isn't much depth to the songwriting. Stipe forces almost every vocal and it's grating to my ears.

It is still exponentially better than Around the Sun.
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Postby Grey Poupon » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:38 pm

I enjoyed the New Adventures podcast a lot and the note about how all the songs are way too long was totally valid.
I think that's why when I put on the album I'll get through the first few songs and think man this rules! this is maybe my fave of their later period, by far! and then I burn out halfway through.

also the praise for Wake Up Bomb's attitude, rather than the song, is so true.. song makes you feel like THE SHIT

I had always assumed E-Bow has Marianne Faithful doing the chorus but oh duh of course it's Patti Smith, that explains the kinda cringey rap of the verses too, good mood though

Departure I want to like but now it just reminds me of that shitty barking repetitive songwriting 'rock' of Accelerate

I wonder if overlong songs is a symptom of bands "writing on the road" .. getting wrapped up in the moment and enjoying playing the songs, whereas in the studio you're more critical in approach and less likely to stretch out. I do like the looseness of it though. And if it was 10 3 to 4 minute songs it would be their best 90's album, or at least equal best with Automatic, like two sides of the same coin.
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Postby misadventurous » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:46 pm

Their actual last album is decent and Up is growing on me but i really can't help but feel like New Adventures should've been their last. i mean it literally ends on "I'm outta here"

Accelerate has some ok moments but what the fuck is "I'm Gonna DJ" jesus christ stipe
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Postby gordie blue eyes » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:54 pm

i love e-bow + obviously have nothing to back this up with but it's insane how badly e-bow as lead single off hi-fi tripped them up. it's always been interesting to think about how things could have went differently if they reintroduced themselves to the world with bittersweet me.
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